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JusSumFastGi

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posted 06-15-2002 03:15 PM   

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I have to call BS on that run as well. Unless you had Slicks on, no way you ran that time.

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I'm also calling BS on this story as well. There are a lot of other doubters as well. However, most people on the Mustang/Fbody forums seem to be jumping on the bandwagon. You've sure got a lot of people excited!!!

It's not so much the ET that gets me, its the mph that just seems out of line. I could see your Viper pulling off that time, but not your supposed "stock Cobra."

A few have even suggested that there might have been a pulley swap, hense the use of octane booster.

Did anyone else witness this here, or was there any video??

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posted 06-15-2002 04:06 PM   

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LOL

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posted 06-15-2002 04:32 PM   

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TacDoc

Nice run! Post pics please.

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posted 06-15-2002 04:40 PM   

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VPRVENM97,

Promise no comments about the mess, I will shoot some shots of the garage this week and post.

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Wow that's an awesome run! I wish you would dyno it so this speculation can stop as to the real rwhp, my guess would be 380rwhp. Anyway the Cobra has a T56 right? same as the Viper? That 1.94 60' and the 12.3@118 is EXACTLY what I run in the Viper (at full weight on motor) The Cobra is not just in Z06 territory but it's also in the "not so good Viper driver territory" If you could have cut a 1.80 or 1.70 60' (drag radials) the car would have went 11's

TacDoc, have you run your GTS at the same track? what were your times? Just wondering if it's your good driving skills that netted you those times or if the Cobra is really as strong as a Viper? Also how does the Cobra feel driving around town? does it have the low end grunt like a Viper? I would think it does with that blower.

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quote:
Originally posted by TacDoc:
VPRVENM97,

Promise no comments about the mess, I will shoot some shots of the garage this week and post.


You got it.
(Don't forget pics of your new lift)

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Go here: SVT board
Even the cobra guys are calling this run BS.

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posted 06-16-2002 08:49 AM   

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MES
TTC T-56 6-Speed w/11in Clutch

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meggleto

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posted 06-16-2002 08:52 AM   

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The 03 Cobra I raced last week ran 13.241 at 108.46 and 13.36@108.38.

He was purely stock with stock tires. He was trying really hard to beat me because I walked over and checked out his car and asked if he'd line up against me because I wanted a copy of his timeslips for future reference. (My copy is white and his copy is yellow) Sounds like it's a good thing that I did now that I see this post.

I saw the posted time slip and was wondering if anyone has been to a track (or this B&M Dragway track with no website) that only shows reaction, 60ft, and final time and speed. Also I guess no one wanted to race this guy even though it was 7:30pm on family night. Then to top it off the person had a 1.94 60ft and only ran a 12.3 even though the mph is 118mph. If you have traction to run a 1.9 60ft then you'd think that you'd hook in 2nd and 3rd and be able to run a respectable time for a 118mph run. I know the track exists but that just weird info. The person would have to be a really bad driver or something is screwy with the mph at the track.

Looking at my time slip with the 03 SVT Cobra I raced, I can say that it's possible to run the 12.3 but the 118mph is still out of hand. It's probably a bad trap speed calculator at a poorly kept small time track. A 12.3 at 111/112mph with autox tires and a 1.94 60ft would be just about right.

Here's the info from the guy I ran. His 60fts were poor because he was a little excited after I asked him to race me. You can tell he was too excited from his reaction times!

Reaction .319 .423
60ft 2.367 2.265
330ft 5.917 5.829
1/8th 8.807 8.710
1/8th mph 85.25 85.25
1000ft 11.273 11.167
1/4 et 13.360 13.241
1/4 mph 108.38 108.46

Since I autox I know that with the Kumho autox tires I can see a lower 60ft and possibly the 12.3sec. If you get them in the correct size they are almost as good as having slicks. The 115mph to 118mph is probably due to track error. The lights are probably closer together than what they have in their mph algorithm.

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I did not expect so many people to need Pepcid after this post. It has been a great debate though. In the interest of fairness, I took a friend out with his radar gun (calibrated for court use) and in a known 1320 ft section of unused asphalt managed a fastest 115 mph with nothing on the roadside. Sorry, no timer, no weight. I never drag race, more of the autocross/road course type, so I dont know squat about calibration needs for a track. My best GTS time was last year at Beechbend in Bowling Green (where they have the Corvette museum), 11.8@119 so I guess 12.3@118 seems like calibration might be a factor. Any way after I do my pulley swap I will find time to get to Beechbend and do some runs. I hope everyone trusts their equipment. My bad for going to a local hangout and not a sanctioned NHRA place. Any way it turns, this Cobra is definitely stonger than my 96 RT/10. I dont think any stock GM products will hang, even the mighty Z06. This Cobra is destined for road course use so I see weight reduction in its future. This car is going to be fun.


MES, I have not run my GTS there, just don't drag much, car is set up for road course and I am afraid of breaking something with the drag starts.

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03 SRT-10 (ordered)
03 SVT COBRA Convertable
03 SVT COBRA Hardtop
The toy race is on, wife permitting

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From my understanding and from using a G-Tech. The actual mph at the end of the 1/4 is higher than that calculated at a 1/4 mile track due to the fact that it averages over the last 20 or so feet. Example: my GTS runs 118 in the quarter while its actual mph is about 125 per G-Tech. An actual 115 in the 1/4 by radar is probably equal to a 108 at the track.

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jcaspar1,
So what your saying is the trap at the end of a drag strip is not accurate?

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03 SRT-10 (ordered)
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The 115mph at exactly 1320ft sounds about right. The drag strip times you going through a set of lights that are supposed to be placed at a specified distance a part. Then since you have distance and time you calculate the average speed through that last section of the track. Then the average speed through those set of lights at the end of the 1/4 mile is posted.

If the distance the lights are set at is not what they use in the calculation then the MPH they flash on the board will be incorrect.

Please post when you get the pulley installed. Hopefully you'll be in the 11's with pulley and the Kumho's.

I believe the time (which is really what matters at the drag strip). I just think the track is a little off on their MPH. It's nothing new. If you drag race enough you'll get accustomed to seeing false numbers even at good tracks. It's just a part of drag racing. I have timeslips with numbers wrong for whatever reason also. Sometimes it even happens when magazines test and in the article they'll say that they feel the trap speed is off.

Long time ago in my beater I remember 13.3's @ 99's mph and another day with no changes ran 13.3's at 106's. Next time 13.2's at 100's. Same track each time and same tires. Never hit 106's again without mods and but the time was 12.9's with 106's.

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I feel a road trip coming on (to Beechbend).

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I didn't think about the actual MPH verses the NHRA 1/4 mile calculations, that may be what happened here. I know when I race the Viper it will trap 7-8MPH higher than the time slip. I get a slip that said 117MPH and it was 124 on the G-tech, then I got a 127MPH and the G-tech said 135MPH so maybe that's why? Take off 6-7 MPH and you get 111-112 which is what most people think it could run. Maybe another run at a NRHA track would clear up the confusion.

BTW you know this post got linked on EVERY web site that I go to, your famous

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Have you run your 96 RT? If so, how fast was it? It seems like it should be at least very close to what you ran in the cobra.

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Man, this is everywhere on the net..
I go to Beechbend quite a bit and would be happy to video your runs and post them for you if you decide to make the trip to BeechBend. Just shoot me an Email ( Eville140@sigecom.net ) and I will be sure to go that weekend. I will be going to BeechBend this coming Saturday for there test/tune fun night, but can make it just about any other weekend.
Hope it does run that good, about time ford put a good motor in something other than a truck.

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Eville140,
Sounds like a plan. I was in Evansville a few years ago for SCCA Solo 2 Regionals. It will will probably be July before I trek to Beechbend, got DisneyWorld with the family next week, and Viper Days at VIR in July. I will have to find a hole in the schedule.

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00 GTS (K&N carbon fiber airbox, smooth tubes, Borla 3" exhaust, revalved Konis, Eibach springs, adj endlinks, anti-toe brackets)
03 SRT-10 (ordered)
03 SVT COBRA Convertable
03 SVT COBRA Hardtop
The toy race is on, wife permitting


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I seriously doubt a stock Cobra ran 118 mph or even 115 for that matter,but I was not there so I cannot dispute your claims.
The 2002 Corvette ZO6 has nothing to fear from the Mustang Cobra,if you don't think so just try a roll-on with one against your Cobra,lest we forget that Ford had to slap a blower on the 4.6 to make close to what a ZO6 is making N/A (405 HP),put the same blower on a stock C5 Vette (not even a ZO6) and viola! 11.7 @ 126 mph and 490 HP,check out Lingenfelter's blown C5 Vettes.

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If you can't make it till July you might want to check out this then http://www.corral.net/corralday

It is in July on the 27th, should be a few other 03 cobras there.

Later
Randy

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quote:
Originally posted by TacDoc:
I have had my '03 Cobras three days now. Dodge please take note. I think everyone has to consider the GT-40 a credible threat. The Cobra ragtop only has 28 miles on it so no real info. I had this week off and spent the last couple days driving constantly to hit the 1000 mile mark on the hardtop. Finally made it, changed the oil, and went to family night last night at the local strip . Took out all dead weight, except myself, and ran two passes. Launch at 2500rpm. My best of two was an R.T. of .487, E.T. was 12.3 @ 118.4. The car felt stronger than my RT/10 from the start, and above 3500 RPM it rivaled my GTS in pull feel. This was using the stock pulley.. I am being told if I add the Lightning pulley @ $25 I can expect 40 more HP. Sad thing is I drove both Cobra's off the lot for less than the invoice of my '00 GTS.


Well, you're tweaking everyone over on F150online.com in the
Lightning Forum also.... I for one believe that FORD is making
headway again against all comers.

For example, I can spank most Corvette drivers and that's
driving my 5000 poubd brick. My '02 Lightning is the most
FUN I have had in 40 years. If you ever get over to Clay City,
we'll have a ball comparing rides.

You run in WV at the speedways? One of the fellas that runs
at Clay City came over from Charleston one weekend. We had 6
Bolts there turning in the 12's ....

As for the 118 ... Hell I am turning 106 in my TRUCK !!!
And I deliver the mulch faster than anyone else in the
neighborhood ... <grin>

WTG dude ... Bring 'em on Chebby!!!!

PS... if you Vette lovers figure a way to add 3000 pounds
to make it a fair race, let me know, OK?


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PS.... I love Bowling Green .... one of the nicest tracks in the country

Check out #ford on IRC .... Lot's of nice people get together
every year at BG in June. Great time and lots' of beer !!!

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Turbosnake,
I dont think the idea here is to take a car that already costs 20k more and add even more money to it in order to overtake a less expensive car. Even then you still only have 2 seats. Shoot if you want a Z06 with a blower in order to outrun the new Cobra, why not just buy a Viper in the first place, would come out cheaper in the long run.

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00 GTS (K&N carbon fiber airbox, smooth tubes, Borla 3" exhaust, revalved Konis, Eibach springs, adj endlinks, anti-toe brackets)
03 SRT-10 (ordered)
03 SVT COBRA Convertable
03 SVT COBRA Hardtop
The toy race is on, wife permitting


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For one thing,the Cobra cannot compete with the ZO6,be it 1/4 mile,top speed,handling,braking,whatever,so you don't have to add a S/C to it to beat a lesser car.
I'm just showing what gains you can get with the S/C on a stock C5 versus what Ford got with the blown Cobra,after years of getting destroyed by LS1 powered F-bodies,Ford had to add a blower to make power with its twin cam,4 valve 4.6.
BTW I also own a 1994 twin turboed 5 liter,630 HP Ford Cobra Mustang,sure its brutally fast,but its not a Vette.


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