You're mistaken about the Powerhouse cars as my old bud Ben Blaylock used to run consistant 9s @ 150 in the red '98 Supra way back in '98 with a full leather interior, Kicker 12s and a TV at all those Drag Wars events. PHR has recently run 8s with an IRS full interior Supra, but who cares. You mention SP. I believe they have quite a few Supras in the low and mid 9s - all full weight stock interior and actually stock suspension using drag radials. It's ok, I know you've been out of it for awhile, I thought I'd update and correct you.
Take it easy man.

John H

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Originally posted by Russ M:
LT-5@redline,
Supras: All these supra guys who come on the internet and claim these amazing hp numbers and super fast 1/4 mile times are all delusional. In the past I have had my run ins with these types at supra events and track events. Every time the result was the same, they got spanked horribly. Even their amazing dyno jet numbers cant save them from reality. Don't get me wrong there are a few of them who do have fast cars, but for the most part they don't go bragging about how fast their car is on the internet or on their website, they are the ones who go to the import events and actually run the times they claim. And to date none of these Powerhouse or SP or any of the others have bothered to actually come out and prove their cars on the track.

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Originally posted by John H:
Hi Rusty,
What's up? ....... thought I'd update and correct you.
Take it easy man.

John H

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Hey Hein, be nice to ole Russ. Ever since he got busted at NIRA in Phoenix for trying to cheat with that GM tranny he's been a little traumatized. You know, I still have that wall kiss video from Houston somewhere.

You can insult the 85 supra all you like, but bottom line is it went faster than any of you ever have or will and it did it 3 years ago. And it made it to 2 of the supra events just to make sure you guys had a fair chance. What was the next closest supra to mine? Can you say over 1 sec slower in the 1/4 mile? I knew you could.

BTW. Obviously you don't follow any of the import publications cause if you did you would know that the supra was up and running 2 months after the crash. And was faster than ever to boot, which is about 2 sec faster in the 1/4 mile than you could ever muster.

PS. The new car is a full tube chasis civic, care to make any interesting comments on that one?

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John H

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Originally posted by The Rock:
Good reading...
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/zerothread?id=234868

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My God....I cant believe what I just read......All these people cant be wrong about this guy....Ive never seen a tuner with so many complaints...Its all over the internet...On Supra, Vette, Viper, Honda sites......I despise crooks...

First off I am not being hostile at all just proving the point. Second of all the hostility started with your self, Rusty? Would you like to be called Johnson?

I wish that you smack talkers would at least once have the nerve to say it face to face. At any of the meets you either run and hide or come up and pretend like its all in good fun. Either way you show your true colors.

Never said that their were not fast supras out there, just that most of them were much slower than claimed. The AZ guys like Saad, and Guilly turned out to be actually very nice guys. And out of the whole crowed seemed to be by far the most willing and able to replicate what they claim.

I can only see big-inch domestics being able to touch the benchmark that 911 has set for the ultimate "street-car" performance.

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Kevin D.

He is a crook, and a lier.

Mark

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Originally posted by LT-5@redline:

BTW Russ(or whoever said it)...Eddie bello's 911 Turbo is NOT back-halved!! Eddie Bello's 911 Turbo porsche still stands as the fastest "street" import in the U.S. at ~165 MPH trap speed in the 1/4. "back halving" mainly benefit's front engine/rear drive car's as it allow's them to run much wider tires and/or altering the stock chassis weight distribution for FAR better traction than the stock layout would allow. The Porsche 911 already has the best chassis layout known to man for putting the power down as it's engine/drivetrain all sit in the rear. It was a standard 93' 911 carrera 2 chassis that his 8 sec STREET car was built on (with standard porsche G50 tranny as well). And as far as S.W.'s comments were concerned about it (not to hurt his ego about his supra), bello's car ALSO has A/C, radio, etc. (full interior) I've seen that car live, up-close-and-personal several events...and believe me, there's no person on any of these forums that knows 911's and what they're capable of better than me. I'm a PCA member and am far more into road racing where 911's dominate practically every north america race track there is, and have been doing so for YEARS. "There's no substitute" definitely applies here.

I can only see big-inch domestics being able to touch the benchmark that 911 has set for the ultimate "street-car" performance.

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DevilDog,

First of all know that I'm a big Viper fan (I wasn't starting a flame). It's the most "bang for the buck" in the world when it comes to exotic appeal, performance, handling, ultimate performance (when modified to the limits), and bragging rights. With a list of accomplishments a mile long in FIA GT2 racing (A very credible and highly competitive racing series) around the world to back it up.

However, the reason for porsche's pulling out of the GT2 wasn't because the Viper's so much a better racing platform as much it was the rule changes in ALMS that much favored the Vipers. All-of-a-sudden the restrictor plate changes imposed on that class rendered the porsches uncompetitive becuase of the severe turbulance created in their turbocharged engines. The Vipers incontrast only had about 50-60 HP off their peak power affected and very little drivability was lost thanks to having 8 liters of displacement, most of their torque and acceleration remained; even with the restrictor plates. Those porsches are shown to be over 100 HP down on power but even worst their torque and boost resonse brought their drivability down even worst.
Conclusion: If it weren't for those rule changes (which the manufactorer "chrysler" no doubt had a role in) the Vipers wouldn't have been anywhere near as dominate as they were against 911's.

If you want more proof, go to ANY race track in America (or the world for the matter) and look for the track records for a production-based car, you'll see the top 5 being 911's almost every time. The Nurenburgring in Germany has all the "production car" records dominated by 911 Turbos, period. Even here in America, at the last annaul Viper Club race with all of the fastest Viper in America the field a ONE 911, a four year old "RUF CTR" which dominated the field. On the second heat the Viper officials "purposely" started it at the back of the field of over 30 cars. In under 10 laps it was back in First, again. This daily driven, 993 body, 911 shows what the REAL results would of been without any restrictions. (as these races in "club" events are unlimited and at times much faster than FIA sanctioned races. ...with a simple rule change those 911 would have 700-800 HP in a 2400 car, and it would be lights out for the Vipers.

My only point, if you base the potential and the true performance of 911's on ALMS wins or losses, you have a lot to learn about "real-world" racing...go visit your local ractrack, your trip will speak for me

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Kevin D.